So, READ IT! But, I don't know their focal lengths or conditions of the shoot. Also, I find crop sensors in low light just don't cut it without the F2.8. I know it's a weird question but diving into everything would make this a longish short story so I hope you can give me some guidance based on these facts . But it also has shallow-depth-of-field. But my hesitation was, would the 2.8 tamerons low light capabilities be canceled by the crop factor and would I be better just to keep my Sony and buy a f4 lens. So an f2.8 lens on a full frame camera will have a much creamier background than the same lens on a crop sensor. But I do think that I could use the wider f2.8 on a 70-200 or a 24-70 sometimes as the low light is a touch restrictive inside, even at higher ISO's. Let’s assume for the sake of this post that both lenses are of “equal quality”. A full frame camera with good high iso performance will be better for indoor than a crop sensor. I'm looking for good lowlight performance and fast AF in all situations. I am in the position where I can choose to shoot on a full frame with a lens that is f4 or I can choose a cropped sensor with f2.8 will they be the same (due to equivalency)? The rule of thumb is "one stop" better noise performance: ie a FF camera at ISO 6400 would produce the same image as an APS-C camera at ISO 3200 in respect to noise. f2.8 is much heavier than an f4; f2.8 is much more expensive than f4; An f4 lens with VR will actually be able to shoot in darker conditions than an f2.8 without VR. It has the sub info/rules that aren't easily found on the app or mobile, as well as links to the sub Wiki and warnings to Surveyors /YouTubers/Bloggers/Article Writers/Intagrammers/Course Creators/App Developers and other attention-seekers (short version- don't link to your content in a standalone thread or you'll get reported and banned). New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the Beginning_Photography community, Continue browsing in r/Beginning_Photography. I like it so far, but still need to do FM decenter test. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Hi. Are you shooting shots where you need f2. Sensor performance, DOF, low light? Depth of field should be as you expect -- about on par with a 28-80 f/4 lens. And actually a little worse? are all the same. ... will they be the same (due to equivalency)? It was a 10 year olds playing a flag football game at night. Well, depends a bit on what you're planning to shoot. Cancel … Still have a couple of weeks before the return window closes. I find I use my 16-35 F2.8 II a lot more on my 7D than my 24-70 F2.8. Given that these are the equivalent 35mm measurements, what would the main difference be between a full frame and an APS-C camera with respect to DOF, low light, etc? EVIL, SLR, DSLR, point and shoot, rangefinder, mirrorless, handheld cams etc. In my experience, the depth of field of an f4 lens on full frame is about the same as f2.8 on crop. I have a 17-50 f2.8, which gives me a 35mm equivalent lens of 28-80mm f4.5. I have shot with both systems for a couple years but never side by side. You can not “zoom with your feet”, because if you change your position, your perspective changes. That would be my main lens to compare with the 8-15mm as I … Full Frame: A full frame camera has a sensor that is the same physical size as that of a frame of 35mm film.That is, 36mm wide x 24mm high. Is the full frame cameras iso performance 1 stop better than the crop sensor camera? If it's a crop sensor, I prefer F2.8, because it provides the FF equivalent of F4 in terms of DoF and Bokeh. It depends on everything you've left out. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Crop + F2.8 v Full Frame + F4. Sony 10-18mm f4 vs. Sony FE 35mm f2.8 As per the title I’m looking at two different lenses which are available for similar prices. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. Related Comparisons: Samsung 18-55 vs. Sony E.16-50 Sharpness at 50mm. Are they the same focal length? Not to mention the bokeh possible on FF is shallower than crop (f1.8 on crop is about f2.8. If you'll be shooting in low light conditions, or if you have to shoot things that move really fast, I'd recommend the 2.8. No, they won't be the same. Taking a look at one of the most common questions that I get asked - is it okay to use APS-C lenses on your full frame Sony camera? Login or Register to display 4 crops from Sony SEL PZ 16-50 F/3.5-5.6 OSS F/10.0 vs. Sony 18-55 F3.5-5.6 SAM F/10.0 for locations Focus Point, Corner (Top Left), Corner Vignetting, Around Center EXIF ( Custom Comparison You can enter 2 photo names from above to compare them side by side: against . With a zoom, the perspectiv… But Sony's lenses are so expensive. I am in the position where I can choose to shoot on a full frame with a lens that is f4 or I can choose a cropped sensor with f2.8 will they be the same (due to equivalency)? From what i … Compared to the Sony FE 12-24mm F4 G, and to the Sigma 14-24mm F2.8 DG DN Art. To put it bluntly- if you are looking to buy a full frame rated lens to use on your crop sensor camera, as long as it is compatible for your brand and mount, the full frame lens will take the exact same photo as a crop sensor lens insofar as the focal length, aperture, lighting, etc. TLDR: APS-C f2.8 vs FF f4? If you plan to use the 24-70 f2.8 on an APS-C body I would suggest that you might not find it is the best focal length range. 2.2 Sharpness / Piqué vs Sony 12-24mm F4 and Sigma 14-24 F2.8 DG DN Art. Or is there something I'm missing? Why? 1. Both cameras I can afford with some nice primes, but when it comes to zooms, I could buy the 7D2 with the 17-55/F2.8 and still spend less then buying a FF with a F4 zoom. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. You are confusing focal length and aperture wrt crop factor. hi, have psted couple of threads asking various things about lenses....i'm considering 70-200 F4...and i want to know the difference between background blur when its mounted on a crop body vis a vis a full frame body. f-number is the ratio of focal length to the diameter of the entrance. **READ THIS BEFORE POSTING** Sort by "HOT" and you'll see a "READ HERE FIRST" post pinned to the top of the sub. Before we can go much further, we need to recap on Depth-of-Field 1. shallow depth of field is NOT the same as bokeh. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The big benefit to FF re: low light is primarily much larger "pixels" on the sensor, which can gather more light. One of the main nudges for crop sensor shooters to jump to full frame is because of the larger control over DOF and low light performance. Sony 18-105mm F4 G lens vs Sony 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 FE Aiur Productions. A recent example of something I shot was last weekend. Are the lenses both as sharp as each other? It is meaningless. Nor do I know which camera(s) so their maybe 50 other reasons to favour that full frame with a slower (f/4) lens. This video compares the Bokeh of a Crop frame to a Full frame DSLR. Before I got the job I didn't use autofocus, but I in my new job I do event photography, so sometimes dimly lit and some movement. Discussion in 'Canon EOS' started by anuragagnihotri, Apr 21, 2010. anuragagnihotri. Full frame on crop body? The Tamron 28-200mm f2.8-5.6 Di III again fared very well too but was more neck-and-neck with Nikon’s 24-200mm zoom lens than in the close-distance test. Do they both have IS/VR as this will make a huge difference. Taking into consideration that a 400mm f2.8 (for example) on an 1.5x crop sensor would have an effective FOV as a 600mm lens but would also have an effective aperture of f4 with an ISO degradation of approx 1 stop (or conversely 1 stop slower Shutter time) it would make it almost the same settings as the FF sensor with a TC. I'm currently shooting a Sony a7ii and I have received two lenses from my work (tameron 24-70 f2.8 Canon mount and Canon 50mm f1.8). You can 'compensate' for the crop factor by zooming out some more with your feet (walking further away from your subject). VR would make indoor and night shots a few stops better which negates the aperture differences. My only other experience with UW is Canon EF-S 10-18 on crop sensor Canons (so about 16 - 28 equivalent on full frame). In other words, 35mm full frame equivalent fields of view will be larger than the quoted focal length for any given GF lens. Or is there something I'm missing? Press J to jump to the feed. S Doesn't the crop factor mean that 2.8 is equal to f4? In my case, as mentioned above, x1.6 crop factor. Full frame usually has better high iso capabilities, so the smaller aperture shouldn't do much bad. At regular close-focus distance at 70mm on full-frame, Canon 24-70 f/4 IS. The older prime is smaller, lighter, delivers a better sun star, and has a better lens cap design. F1.8 on FF is f1.8) TLDR: APS-C f2.8 vs FF f4… And I have found that I need autofocus. F1.8 on FF is f1.8). I’m wanting a better lens for landscape/architecture photography as I’m going on a road trip soon where there’ll be some scenic landscapes. A 2.8 24mm lens will have worse bokeh than an f4 70 200 at 200. The exposure time will be the same for both though. APS-C vs FF. Two things which seemingly are the same, but aren’t. I was originally planning to get Sigma 14-24 f2.8 DG DN but then decided to give 12-24 f4 a try. See introduction at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor . Knee jerk is to favour the faster lens (f/2.8). The Sony GM is as its best between 18- 24mm whereas 24mm is the weakest on both Sony FE 12-24mm F4 G, and the Sigma 14-24mm F2.8 DG DN Art Thread starter akr; Start date Sep 18, 2011; Prev. Not to mention the bokeh possible on FF is shallower than crop (f1.8 on crop is about f2.8. Or is there something I'm missing? What that means is that, although your lens’ focal lengths and apertures are accurate, your cameras 35mm equivalent focal lengths and apertures should be multiplied by that crop factor. F4.0 on full frame vs f2.8 cropped? I recently rented a Lumix 35-100mm f/2.8 G Vario lens from LensRentals.com so that I could show you the difference between a 70-200mm lens on a full-frame Nikon and a 35-100mm lens on a Micro Four Thirds Lumix, as well as the value of such … Loading... Unsubscribe from Aiur Productions? But from all I've tested adapters aren't good enough so I would need native lenses. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Assuming similar settings. One of the main nudges for crop sensor shooters to jump to full frame is because of the larger control over DOF and low light performance. So on that note, if you are one of those who say things like “give it some bokeh”, then you need to stop. Crop Sensor: A crop sensor camera, like on many DSLRs (which use the APS-C size) or the Four Thirds sensor (used in Four Thirds DSLRs and Micro 4/3 mirrorless cameras), is simply a sensor that is smaller in physical size than a full frame sensor. Post reviews, articles, and videos of products, unboxings, etc. F/4 is one stop less than f/2.8. Also full frame is usually better in any field photography-wise, but the negatives come from added costs and weight. Hi. I do not have the 17-55 F2.8 but if you want to compare this link may help. I show you the bokeh or background blur for 3 different aperture settings. Aperture doesn't mean much by itself. If this is 6" (15cm) wide on your screen, the full image would print at 40 x 60" (1 x 1.5 meters)! The image above certainly has nice, smooth bokeh. You need to provide more info to get a good answer. Sony PZ E 18-105mm F4 G OSS on a full frame; Sony FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM; Sony FE 24-70mm F4 Zeiss OSS; Sony FE 24-105 F4 G OSS; Sony FE 24-240mm F3.5-F6.3; Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 (Kit lens) Sony FE PZ 28-135mm F4 G OSS; Sony FE 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 G OSS; Sony FE70-200 F2.8 GM & TC1.4 / TC2.0; Sony FE 100-400mm GM OSS F4.5-F5.6; Sony FE 70-200 F4 G https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor. This is a subreddit to discuss new cameras and camera comparisons, camera lenses, gear and accessories. As you can see the 24-70 on full frame (1DsIII) and the 17-55 on a 50D show very clear differences. Sony PZ E 18-105mm F4 G OSS on a full frame; Sony FE 24-70mm F2.8 GM; Sony FE 24-70mm F4 Zeiss OSS; Sony FE 24-105 F4 G OSS; Sony FE 24-240mm F3.5-F6.3; Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 (Kit lens) Sony FE PZ 28-135mm F4 G OSS; Sony FE 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 G OSS; Sony FE70-200 F2.8 GM & TC1.4 / TC2.0; Sony FE 100-400mm GM OSS F4.5-F5.6; Sony FE 70-200 F4 G I am considering either buying a Sony 18-105 f4 because I need the zoom capabilities and it fits in my budget. I currently shoot Canon APS-C, which comes along with a 1.6x crop factor. The new Nikon Z 24-200mm f4.0-6.3 VR performed very well in this long-distance test although up to 50mm focal length the Nikon Z 24-70mm f4.0 S is sharper right up into the extreme corners of a full-frame sensor. The math works out as follows: Full frame sensor dimensions: 36mm x 24mm therefore diagonal dimension is √(36 2 + 24 2) = 43.27mm. 8? 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